Tuesday, June 08, 2004
The Quills
So I've just been called a twat on Berkshire Live after I listed a bunch of possible "The" band names that rhymed with The Thrills and The Kills. Which was assumed to be an anti-NME Strokes backlash comment but was actually just me being bored and wanting to rhyme. Is that a crime? Should I do time? Should I start washing my hair with a hair washing product scented with lime?
Ok, I don't deny being a twat but I think it's a bit unfair that I get a hard time for anti NME/The band rhetoric if that's not what I meant. If I am going to get accused of it anyway I might as well try and explain myself.
I'm not entirely sure why it annoys me that so many really average bands in the Garage Rock scene seem to be so highly overrated these days. When the same thing was happening with Nu-Metal it didn't bother me so much, and we were flooded with loads of REALLY bad Nu-Metal bands. And Durst.
I think what it comes down to is the fact that I get annoyed by qualitative judgements on the amount of 'art' or 'credibility' in music. For some reason the generic Emo and Nu-Metal bands are shit but the generic Garage Rock band is cool. Why? Just because their influences are more credible? In a way I blame Lester Bangs. Brilliantly ascerbic writer and pioneering music journalist he might have been but his legacy seems to have been to leave one section of music journalists scared of liking anything that doesn't sound like something he liked. Garage Rock bands influences read like a summary list of bands Lester Bangs liked, the influences of the bands that are dismissed by the 'cool' music press are mostly descended from the ones he hated for being pompous, overblown and, dare I say it, widdly. I'm not saying he didn't have a point but I think that a lot of the current bands are missing the point of the music they are influenced by. Lester would hate them. Lester once said the following:
Look at it this way: there are many here among us for whom the life force is best represented by the livid twitching of one tortured nerve, or even a full-scale anxiety attack. I do not subscribe to this point of view 100%, but I understand it, have lived it. Thus the shriek, the caterwaul, the chainsaw gnarlgnashing, the yowl and the whizz that decapitates may be reheard by the adventurous or emotionally damaged as mellifluous bursts of unarguable affirmation.
That's explains so well what I want out of 'credible' Rock music. It's why I so instantly connected with At the Drive-In and Nirvana and it's exactly why so many bands (in whatever genre) leave me dead. I don't feel the passion, I don't feel like the band wants to hurl themselves through a wall.
That'll probably seem weird to some people who know me. I'm well aware that a lot of my favourite bands have absolutely no musical credibility and yet I know how much they mean to me. Ok so I also like stuff that has a lot of credibility. I can listen to Velvet Underground and the "girl with 5 colours in her hair" McFly single and enjoy both or Andrew WK and Mogwai or The Darkness and The Mars Volta. I connect with them in different ways and none of them in the same way I connect with music I really love. There's such a wide mark between music I like and music that wires itself into my nerves and reminds me why I'm alive. I'm not always in the mood for flesh tearing, soul rending passion. Although it's the music I connect with most I can't handle it all the time. Sometimes I want a nice happy pop melody or just some laugh along fist pumping rock. Sometimes you need sad music, sometimes happy. As a personal thing though what I never want is smug, whiney and gutless jangly guitar pop masquerading as ultra cool art. I know that's not how a lot of people hear it but it's how I hear it, I'm not sure what I can do to stop it. I can't make people hear the music I love in the same way as me. I know I probably get just as frustrated by people thinking the music I absolutely love is rubbish as people do by me spouting off a load of abuse at their favourite bands.
So, anyway, I'm aware that I'm much too harsh on Garage Rock, way beyond it's failings as a genre. It's not the first genre to feature a massive wave of mediocre bands in the wake of a few great ones and it won't be the last. For me though it's the most annoying one since Britpop, mainly because that was the last genre that hit where I didn't even really like the best bands in the genre very much.
Ok, I don't deny being a twat but I think it's a bit unfair that I get a hard time for anti NME/The band rhetoric if that's not what I meant. If I am going to get accused of it anyway I might as well try and explain myself.
I'm not entirely sure why it annoys me that so many really average bands in the Garage Rock scene seem to be so highly overrated these days. When the same thing was happening with Nu-Metal it didn't bother me so much, and we were flooded with loads of REALLY bad Nu-Metal bands. And Durst.
I think what it comes down to is the fact that I get annoyed by qualitative judgements on the amount of 'art' or 'credibility' in music. For some reason the generic Emo and Nu-Metal bands are shit but the generic Garage Rock band is cool. Why? Just because their influences are more credible? In a way I blame Lester Bangs. Brilliantly ascerbic writer and pioneering music journalist he might have been but his legacy seems to have been to leave one section of music journalists scared of liking anything that doesn't sound like something he liked. Garage Rock bands influences read like a summary list of bands Lester Bangs liked, the influences of the bands that are dismissed by the 'cool' music press are mostly descended from the ones he hated for being pompous, overblown and, dare I say it, widdly. I'm not saying he didn't have a point but I think that a lot of the current bands are missing the point of the music they are influenced by. Lester would hate them. Lester once said the following:
Look at it this way: there are many here among us for whom the life force is best represented by the livid twitching of one tortured nerve, or even a full-scale anxiety attack. I do not subscribe to this point of view 100%, but I understand it, have lived it. Thus the shriek, the caterwaul, the chainsaw gnarlgnashing, the yowl and the whizz that decapitates may be reheard by the adventurous or emotionally damaged as mellifluous bursts of unarguable affirmation.
That's explains so well what I want out of 'credible' Rock music. It's why I so instantly connected with At the Drive-In and Nirvana and it's exactly why so many bands (in whatever genre) leave me dead. I don't feel the passion, I don't feel like the band wants to hurl themselves through a wall.
That'll probably seem weird to some people who know me. I'm well aware that a lot of my favourite bands have absolutely no musical credibility and yet I know how much they mean to me. Ok so I also like stuff that has a lot of credibility. I can listen to Velvet Underground and the "girl with 5 colours in her hair" McFly single and enjoy both or Andrew WK and Mogwai or The Darkness and The Mars Volta. I connect with them in different ways and none of them in the same way I connect with music I really love. There's such a wide mark between music I like and music that wires itself into my nerves and reminds me why I'm alive. I'm not always in the mood for flesh tearing, soul rending passion. Although it's the music I connect with most I can't handle it all the time. Sometimes I want a nice happy pop melody or just some laugh along fist pumping rock. Sometimes you need sad music, sometimes happy. As a personal thing though what I never want is smug, whiney and gutless jangly guitar pop masquerading as ultra cool art. I know that's not how a lot of people hear it but it's how I hear it, I'm not sure what I can do to stop it. I can't make people hear the music I love in the same way as me. I know I probably get just as frustrated by people thinking the music I absolutely love is rubbish as people do by me spouting off a load of abuse at their favourite bands.
So, anyway, I'm aware that I'm much too harsh on Garage Rock, way beyond it's failings as a genre. It's not the first genre to feature a massive wave of mediocre bands in the wake of a few great ones and it won't be the last. For me though it's the most annoying one since Britpop, mainly because that was the last genre that hit where I didn't even really like the best bands in the genre very much.
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this just makes you sound even more ignorant to 'new' music, unless its something you specifically like.
Mike, it's the kids. still living at home with Mum and being led around like sheep. I read Smash Hits when I was a young 'un, but I soon grew out of it. NME's editor is about 21, if I have been informed correctly, which says it all for me. little pipsqueak.
anyway, you are lovely and not the least bit a twat. at times on that board you are one of the few voices of reason!
see you soon
annie x
anyway, you are lovely and not the least bit a twat. at times on that board you are one of the few voices of reason!
see you soon
annie x
Is that you Alex?
Why should I like new music because it's new? Last year there were two albums by new artists I absolutely loved. Dizzee Rascall and The Mars Volta. 2 amazing new albums in a year makes it a great year in my book. Better than most.
Not liking a genre doesn't make me ignorant of new music. I don't get your point. I listen to enough garage rock to know I don't like it no matter how good it is, what's the point wasting my life trying to find some shred of something I might like in a genre I basically hate?
Why should I like new music because it's new? Last year there were two albums by new artists I absolutely loved. Dizzee Rascall and The Mars Volta. 2 amazing new albums in a year makes it a great year in my book. Better than most.
Not liking a genre doesn't make me ignorant of new music. I don't get your point. I listen to enough garage rock to know I don't like it no matter how good it is, what's the point wasting my life trying to find some shred of something I might like in a genre I basically hate?
Your post is basically- "i like music, that i like. Anything that i dont like has no merit"
Its crap, and really narrowminded.
Just 'cos you think a band are average doesnt mean they are. Bands mean different things for different people.
"For some reason the generic Emo and Nu-Metal bands are shit but the generic Garage Rock band is cool."That is again, rubbish, its no more cooler, maybe it just appeals more to the people you socialise with, therefore you are exposed to it more frequently.
Anyway, who around at the mo makes up this 'garage rock' scene you talk about so much? Out of the bands they play at the After Dark, i can think of one...
Ive lost complete track of what i was trying to say... but there ya go...& for the record, i think Nirvana are the biggest, most overrated pile of toss ive ever come across....but then they were an 'NME band' too werent they.
Its crap, and really narrowminded.
Just 'cos you think a band are average doesnt mean they are. Bands mean different things for different people.
"For some reason the generic Emo and Nu-Metal bands are shit but the generic Garage Rock band is cool."That is again, rubbish, its no more cooler, maybe it just appeals more to the people you socialise with, therefore you are exposed to it more frequently.
Anyway, who around at the mo makes up this 'garage rock' scene you talk about so much? Out of the bands they play at the After Dark, i can think of one...
Ive lost complete track of what i was trying to say... but there ya go...& for the record, i think Nirvana are the biggest, most overrated pile of toss ive ever come across....but then they were an 'NME band' too werent they.
I didn't say bands I don't like have no merit, and I didn't mean to imply it. Unless I totally cocked my post up (which is possible) what I was trying to say was the absolute opposite of that.
I was trying to say that the bands I connect to make me feel a certain way and that's why I connect with them. The bands I don't connect with don't make me feel like that. I was also trying to say that I know not everyone connects with music in the same way I do.
In a way Nirvana ARE overrated. The hype surrounding them is totally out of proportion to what any band deserves. Still to me they sum up everything good about music. They make me feel. I didn't know you didn't like Nirvana, that explains everything about the differences in our music tastes I think.
NME was pretty good in the early 90s. Still not great and it's always been a bit up it's own arse but it was decent. Nirvana were much bigger than being an NME band though, they became hugely mainstream. Very MTV like.
I was trying to say that the bands I connect to make me feel a certain way and that's why I connect with them. The bands I don't connect with don't make me feel like that. I was also trying to say that I know not everyone connects with music in the same way I do.
In a way Nirvana ARE overrated. The hype surrounding them is totally out of proportion to what any band deserves. Still to me they sum up everything good about music. They make me feel. I didn't know you didn't like Nirvana, that explains everything about the differences in our music tastes I think.
NME was pretty good in the early 90s. Still not great and it's always been a bit up it's own arse but it was decent. Nirvana were much bigger than being an NME band though, they became hugely mainstream. Very MTV like.
It was your description of the 'garage scene' that made me write... you were about 3 years late... the AD doesnt play many, in fact hardly any 'garage bands'.
Anyway... who cares... its just opinion.
& i just realised that ComEnts is spelt wrong... i thought it was a great domain name till the penny dropped...durr.
This is terrible though...
Is that a crime? Should I do time? Should I start washing my hair with a hair washing product scented with lime?
Anyway... who cares... its just opinion.
& i just realised that ComEnts is spelt wrong... i thought it was a great domain name till the penny dropped...durr.
This is terrible though...
Is that a crime? Should I do time? Should I start washing my hair with a hair washing product scented with lime?
That rhyming was meant to be really bad.
3 years late? I'm talking about all the White Stripes, Strokes, Libertines, Jet, Thrills stuff whatever that's called.
It all sounds like a progression/variation of the same thing (to my ear at least, I'm sure it's all totally different if you are into it...)
3 years late? I'm talking about all the White Stripes, Strokes, Libertines, Jet, Thrills stuff whatever that's called.
It all sounds like a progression/variation of the same thing (to my ear at least, I'm sure it's all totally different if you are into it...)
Mike.
You're a twat and it has nothing to do with your musical "tastes". Switzerland's loss is our gain.
love you,
graham. xx
You're a twat and it has nothing to do with your musical "tastes". Switzerland's loss is our gain.
love you,
graham. xx
people like Jet are not rock bands or garage bands. they are 'smug, whiney and gutless jangly guitar pop' i always thought jet were the least fasionable band ever! how are they anything they say they are? still, there is some great, loud, stupid, simple, agressive garage rock STILL going on.
so mike, i'm going to make you a tape featuring:
ALL garage bands,
ALL 'the' bands
ALL post 2000 bands.
(although probbaly not any NME bands, but maybe because i dont really know what that is these days)
if you Still feeling a bit nasty towards garage rock then fine. but i dont think you will be.
(actually i made you the tape last night, email me an adress and i can send it off from work)
Jo.
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so mike, i'm going to make you a tape featuring:
ALL garage bands,
ALL 'the' bands
ALL post 2000 bands.
(although probbaly not any NME bands, but maybe because i dont really know what that is these days)
if you Still feeling a bit nasty towards garage rock then fine. but i dont think you will be.
(actually i made you the tape last night, email me an adress and i can send it off from work)
Jo.
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